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	<title>Comments on: An attempt at a Girardian introduction</title>
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	<description>Discussion of hermeneutics, esp. as it pertains to LDS scripture</description>
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		<title>By: sandrar</title>
		<link>http://ldsherm.wordpress.com/2007/07/15/an-attempt-at-a-girardian-introduction/#comment-489</link>
		<dc:creator>sandrar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:43:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi! I was surfing and found your blog post... nice! I love your blog.  :) Cheers! Sandra. R.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi! I was surfing and found your blog post&#8230; nice! I love your blog.  <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Cheers! Sandra. R.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Madson</title>
		<link>http://ldsherm.wordpress.com/2007/07/15/an-attempt-at-a-girardian-introduction/#comment-452</link>
		<dc:creator>J. Madson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 10:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cherylem, I was at the presentation as the moderator whatever they call us and it was excellent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cherylem, I was at the presentation as the moderator whatever they call us and it was excellent.</p>
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		<title>By: Cherylem</title>
		<link>http://ldsherm.wordpress.com/2007/07/15/an-attempt-at-a-girardian-introduction/#comment-450</link>
		<dc:creator>Cherylem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 00:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Joe - very interesting indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Joe &#8211; very interesting indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: joespencer</title>
		<link>http://ldsherm.wordpress.com/2007/07/15/an-attempt-at-a-girardian-introduction/#comment-449</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t, but you might be interested to know, Cheryl, that MSH (the Mormon Scholars in the Humanities) has considered Girard as a keynote speaker for their 2009 conference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t, but you might be interested to know, Cheryl, that MSH (the Mormon Scholars in the Humanities) has considered Girard as a keynote speaker for their 2009 conference.</p>
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		<title>By: Cherylem</title>
		<link>http://ldsherm.wordpress.com/2007/07/15/an-attempt-at-a-girardian-introduction/#comment-448</link>
		<dc:creator>Cherylem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 01:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did anyone hear/see Mack Stirling&#039;s presentation at Sunstone on Girard?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did anyone hear/see Mack Stirling&#8217;s presentation at Sunstone on Girard?</p>
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		<title>By: Robert C.</title>
		<link>http://ldsherm.wordpress.com/2007/07/15/an-attempt-at-a-girardian-introduction/#comment-27</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 23:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My belief in mimesis is also aided by the fact that my son is at a very mimetic stage of development: when I sat on a rock at our ward barbecue last Sunday, my two-year-old son found a rock and sat down just like his daddy, and when I moved to go sit on the grass, he sat moved to go sit on the grass just like me, and when I go to work on my laptop, of course he wants to come play with my laptop (with an ensuing rivalry that mommy usually mediates by telling me to get off the computer and play with our son!).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My belief in mimesis is also aided by the fact that my son is at a very mimetic stage of development: when I sat on a rock at our ward barbecue last Sunday, my two-year-old son found a rock and sat down just like his daddy, and when I moved to go sit on the grass, he sat moved to go sit on the grass just like me, and when I go to work on my laptop, of course he wants to come play with my laptop (with an ensuing rivalry that mommy usually mediates by telling me to get off the computer and play with our son!).</p>
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		<title>By: joespencer</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 22:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You might all be interested in the post I just put on the feast blog about rivalry in teaching. I don&#039;t know that it delves too seriously into anything Girardian, but it does seem connected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might all be interested in the post I just put on the feast blog about rivalry in teaching. I don&#8217;t know that it delves too seriously into anything Girardian, but it does seem connected.</p>
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		<title>By: cherylem</title>
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		<dc:creator>cherylem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 22:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert, 
Your comments are excellent.</description>
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Your comments are excellent.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 20:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[Not sure what&#039;s going on with the formatting of this blog, but it&#039;s all messed up today in my browser---hopefully it will fix itself soon....]

Cheryl, thanks for pointing out my typo in my comment above, I fixed it: I&#039;m more believing now, not more skeptical!

The idea that our desires our mediated by others&#039; desires rings true for me, though I&#039;m not quite sure how this matches up with Girard&#039;s notion of mimetic desire---it seems closely related to me.  Of course anyone in marketing believes in this notion of society-mediated desire.  I think this is very common among children---the familiar scenario (esp. to me as a new parent of a toddler...) where no one&#039;s paying attention to a toy, and then one kid picks it up (usually the most independent kid who cares the least about the other kids&#039; interests) and starts playing with it, largely because no one is playing with it, but then suddenly the other kids see the toy with new eyes and desperately (in the sense of tantrums...) want to play with it.  Notice in this case that the common/mimetic desire leads immediately to a rivalry/conflict.

At a slightly more mature level, I think we see this very commonly in Junior High and Middle School children when everyone becomes so peer conscious.  Where the desirability of a cute boy or hot girl is largely dependent on how popular or desirable the community, or those most influential in the community, think the boy or girl is.  This is, I think, a very powerful and convincing form of mimesis, and it affects us in very subtle, but also very real, ways.  

And I think this kind of rivalry is esp. common (and perhaps even less noticeable for that reason) in Western capitalist society.  Men are obsessed with competitive sports, and women are obsessed with looking better and better and skinnier and skinnier, and &lt;i&gt;everyone&lt;/i&gt; wants to be above average (at least as Garrison Keillor might describe it).  I recently saw the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sky_High_(2005_film)&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Walt Disney movie &quot;Sky High&quot;&lt;/a&gt; which has an interesting character, Layla, in it who refuses to take part in the competitive nature of the school (where superheroes go to school, and are classified according to their super powers).  Again, I think the resonance of this character (at least I thought she resonated...) attests to the notion of mimetic rivalry as a cultural truth.  On the other hand, I guess making this link with capitalist competition doesn&#039;t really lend direct support to this being an attribute of earlier, less capitalist cultures, but it has helped me think about mimetic desire and rivalry with more appreciation.

(Or, Cheryl, am I misguided in this way of thinking about mimetic desire and rivalry?)</description>
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<p>Cheryl, thanks for pointing out my typo in my comment above, I fixed it: I&#8217;m more believing now, not more skeptical!</p>
<p>The idea that our desires our mediated by others&#8217; desires rings true for me, though I&#8217;m not quite sure how this matches up with Girard&#8217;s notion of mimetic desire&#8212;it seems closely related to me.  Of course anyone in marketing believes in this notion of society-mediated desire.  I think this is very common among children&#8212;the familiar scenario (esp. to me as a new parent of a toddler&#8230;) where no one&#8217;s paying attention to a toy, and then one kid picks it up (usually the most independent kid who cares the least about the other kids&#8217; interests) and starts playing with it, largely because no one is playing with it, but then suddenly the other kids see the toy with new eyes and desperately (in the sense of tantrums&#8230;) want to play with it.  Notice in this case that the common/mimetic desire leads immediately to a rivalry/conflict.</p>
<p>At a slightly more mature level, I think we see this very commonly in Junior High and Middle School children when everyone becomes so peer conscious.  Where the desirability of a cute boy or hot girl is largely dependent on how popular or desirable the community, or those most influential in the community, think the boy or girl is.  This is, I think, a very powerful and convincing form of mimesis, and it affects us in very subtle, but also very real, ways.  </p>
<p>And I think this kind of rivalry is esp. common (and perhaps even less noticeable for that reason) in Western capitalist society.  Men are obsessed with competitive sports, and women are obsessed with looking better and better and skinnier and skinnier, and <i>everyone</i> wants to be above average (at least as Garrison Keillor might describe it).  I recently saw the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sky_High_(2005_film)" rel="nofollow">Walt Disney movie &#8220;Sky High&#8221;</a> which has an interesting character, Layla, in it who refuses to take part in the competitive nature of the school (where superheroes go to school, and are classified according to their super powers).  Again, I think the resonance of this character (at least I thought she resonated&#8230;) attests to the notion of mimetic rivalry as a cultural truth.  On the other hand, I guess making this link with capitalist competition doesn&#8217;t really lend direct support to this being an attribute of earlier, less capitalist cultures, but it has helped me think about mimetic desire and rivalry with more appreciation.</p>
<p>(Or, Cheryl, am I misguided in this way of thinking about mimetic desire and rivalry?)</p>
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		<title>By: Cherylem</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cherylem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 19:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert . . . so you are now more skeptical?</description>
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